Curse

TPike · Feb 21, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh

So the fault I think lies in that there is no natural progression from PvE to PvP like so many of us expected when we got the game. There is too much of a barrier between the two that you must forcibly overcome. PvPers probably appreciate the game more, but believe me when I say that there are PvEers that thoroughly enjoy the game. But I agree that there is rarely anything to complain about in PvE...if you can't do it with Pain Inverter...then there's always Ursan =P. Probably the biggest reason you hear a lot more complaints from PvE is that there are a whole lot more people that play PvE.

When I bought the game I thought there would be a transition from PvE to PvP and I'm kind of dissapointed there isn't one.

So far the only PvP I've played were in the arenas during the Canthan holidays.

TBH I'm kinda "ascared" to start PvPing.

If I just get totally pwnt over and over I'm afraid it'll turn me off of the game.

Mean time I'm enjoying PvE and trying to figure out the best way to learn how to PvP.

sagilltwins · Feb 21, 2008, 08:42 AM // 08:42

70% Pvp
30% Pve

enter_the_zone · Feb 21, 2008, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by TPike

When I bought the game I thought there would be a transition from PvE to PvP and I'm kind of dissapointed there isn't one.

So far the only PvP I've played were in the arenas during the Canthan holidays.

TBH I'm kinda "ascared" to start PvPing.

If I just get totally pwnt over and over I'm afraid it'll turn me off of the game.

Mean time I'm enjoying PvE and trying to figure out the best way to learn how to PvP.

The best advice I can give is to accept that you will be pwnd over and over and over again when you first start PvP (as in, TA and HA). I actually got past that stage to where I was/am a pretty decent player, nothing special, but not a green as grass nublette.

Unfortunately, the overriding mentality got too annoying for me (like, "If we can't win, gank the holders so they get kicked out of Halls"). Childish, spiteful immature children.

Yes, there are some nice PvP players. But a song comes to mind..."And I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more".

Taurucis · Feb 21, 2008, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

Holy cow. The irrational hatred for one side who plays a different playstyle is what I find really stupid and just plain silly.

I mean come on, a traiter to your own kind? Just because he defended a PVP player from a PVE player's unjustified comments? We're supposed to hate the other side because of what we play?

We have enough of this stupid crap in real life where people find trivial differences to war over. I'm just shaking my head over this.... A traitor to his own kind! Wow!

I said it was a QUOTE from Oblivion. To quote things, you can't butcher them up as to not offend everyone.

Quote: to repeat (a passage, phrase, etc.) from a book, speech, or the like, as by way of authority, illustration, etc.

The PvP side pretty much hates the PvE side. I don't name names, but look at what some of our Guru friends have said about PvE. And look ingame, you'll see plenty of hate from PvPers towards PvE.

Avarre · Feb 21, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Unfortunately, the overriding mentality got too annoying for me (like, "If we can't win, gank the holders so they get kicked out of Halls"). Childish, spiteful immature children.

I'd like to hear how you justify that statement. The entire point of holding is that you have to face all opposition at once. It's not a good system, but there you go.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

The PvP side pretty much hates the PvE side. I don't name names, but look at what some of our Guru friends have said about PvE. And look ingame, you'll see plenty of hate from PvPers towards PvE.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I would agree with this if I could think of anyone who was a 'PvPer' by the definition of 'only plays PvP'. Every person I know that plays PvP plays PvE, or has played and gotten tired of PvE.

There are no 'PvErs and PvPers', just those that play everything and those that only play PvE. The condescending nature people perceive from 'PvP players' is mainly because these people, playing both sides of the game, can see how absurd a great amount of the PvE complaints are.

Taurucis · Feb 21, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Every person I know

Right. What about those you don't know?

Avarre · Feb 21, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Right. What about those you don't know?

What about them? Why don't you tell me, since you obviously do know them if you are so affected by them.

Start with their names.

Also, take into account everyone who PvP'ed at all seriously before inscriptions.

Taurucis · Feb 21, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Doesn't guru have a rule about not posting the names of other players if it could be used to harass them?

Edit: Here's one!

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Originally Posted by CassiusDrehyg

PvE noobs deserve nothing. Just accept it. When I tiger a scrubby little kid, I expect him to cry, not wave a "Kind of a Big Deal" epeen back at me.

phan · Feb 21, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

It's 50/50 now move over this useless discussion ..

Avarre · Feb 21, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Doesn't guru have a rule about not posting the names of other players if it could be used to harass them?

Edit: Here's one!

Quite. Quoting off the forums is a different matter, for the reason links cannot be falsified for accusation.

Their posts demonstrate they play both aspects of the game.

I think that's a good example of a player that fits into what I mentioned.

Taurucis · Feb 21, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I think that's a good example of a player that fits into what I mentioned.

He's also a good example of a complete jerk, you should see what people replied to him with. He doesn't play PvE to PvE, he hangs out in PvE areas to boost his ego.

Avarre · Feb 21, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

He's also a good example of a complete jerk, you should see what people replied to him with. He doesn't play PvE to PvE, he hangs out in PvE areas to boost his ego.

You get jerks in all areas, as all kinds of players. And it hardly matters why he plays, merely that he does to an extent that grants understanding.

Point is, it's silly to try to create some kind of divide between the two parts of the game when there really isn't one in the manner described.

The fact that players can play both parts of the game is good enough to show the game is both a PvE and PvP game. The lack of transition, as has been brought up, is one of the big factors preventing the playerbases being close together. The other major reason I'd consider is the deviation of PvE from the same standard of balance - PvE skills, consumables, monster/area skills and effects, and so on.

Kyp Jade · Feb 21, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I'd like to hear how you justify that statement. The entire point of holding is that you have to face all opposition at once. It's not a good system, but there you go.

With old altar holding, the map objective was very solid, hold the altar at the last second and you win. This made it incredibly difficult for a team to decide they want to just play to make you lose.

Even in new KoTH, it is very very difficult to gank a team out if they know what they are doing.

However, on relic run and capture points, this is most definatly not the case. You can completly screw over someone and it will have nothing to do with how good you are or how good they are. On relic run all someone has to do is decide to play annihilation against you in your base. On capture points they only need to follow you can cap behind you the points that you take.

Thus the increase in complaints about ganking.

Snow Bunny · Feb 21, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

May I ask, if you like GvG, why you are in a PvE guild?

Some of us are lazy, and relatively inactive.

Plus, I like Tyla, Neo, Dharok, Alexis, and Silly waaaayyyyyy too much to go back to actually being serious about Guild Wars

enter_the_zone · Feb 21, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I'd like to hear how you justify that statement. The entire point of holding is that you have to face all opposition at once. It's not a good system, but there you go.

I am referring specifically to the numerous occasions where one of the non-holding teams decides to let the other non-holding team cap their base while they go off and gank the holding team in their base, for the explicit purpose of ousting the holding team. Basically, taking a deliberate fall just to oust the holders, whom they can't otherwise beat.

That was just meant as an example of the mindset I can't stand. It's called the "I can't win, so I'll screw someone else over""/rank lollollol n00b" mindset.

Celestial_Kitsune · Feb 21, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Some of us are lazy, and relatively inactive.

Plus, I like Tyla, Neo, Dharok, Alexis, and Silly waaaayyyyyy too much to go back to actually being serious about Guild Wars

That is quite elucidating. After all the GvG, you went to PvE. Why? Due to attrition and wanting to have fun with your friends. If you love PvP so much, why would not you go find some new GvG guild, as suggested for PvE players? It would take some time, less than for a PvE player though because you have a network, but there is no compelling reason for you to do so at the moment. GW is for fun, first and foremost, for many players, not serious business.

Snow Bunny · Feb 21, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

That is quite elucidating. After all the GvG, you went to PvE. Why? Due to attrition and wanting to have fun with your friends. If you love PvP so much, why would not you go find some new GvG guild, as suggested for PvE players? It would take some time, less than for a PvE player though because you have a network, but there is no compelling reason for you to do so at the moment. GW is for fun, first and foremost, for many players, not serious business.

No, it's because I'm inactive.

I still PvP quite frequently.

Celestial_Kitsune · Feb 21, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

No, it's because I'm inactive.

I still PvP quite frequently.

But you are in a PvE guild and say that you are not serious about GW, so that is good

Snow Bunny · Feb 21, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

But you are in a PvE guild and say that you are not serious about GW, so that is good

Lol, I'm in a PvE guild because I'd get kicked out of a PvP guild for day-long inactivity.

Plus TAM people actually know what they're doing. They can bambi me!!!!

Creeping Carl · Feb 21, 2008, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I said it was a QUOTE from Oblivion. To quote things, you can't butcher them up as to not offend everyone.

Quote: to repeat (a passage, phrase, etc.) from a book, speech, or the like, as by way of authority, illustration, etc.

How does it matter that you were just quoting? If the quote wasnt the message you wanted to convey then why quote it?

I don't think you offended anyone with the quote but you sure made yourself look totally ridiculous and irrational with it.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

The PvP side pretty much hates the PvE side. I don't name names, but look at what some of our Guru friends have said about PvE. And look ingame, you'll see plenty of hate from PvPers towards PvE.

People from BOTH sides pretty much hates the other side. You're getting angry at some PVP'ers for hating PVE yet you're pretty much doing the same thing but in the opposite direction.

This is all pretty damn irrational and silly.